Wednesday, January 04, 2012
Immigration or migration
Monmouth MP, David Davies' assertion in today's Western Mail that large scale immigration is having a huge environmental impact by increasing the demand for new homes in Wales, lacks one important element, proof!
Mr. Davies claims that the demand for 350 new housing units in his own constituency due to net migration underlines his case. However, there is a significant difference between migration and immigration. Indeed it is likely that most of the demand will be due to people moving into Monmouthshire from England. It is clear from the MP's remarks that he does not consider the English as immigrants, though there are some extreme nationalists who do.
Where is the breakdown in the housing demand figures to prove that the bulk of these migrants actually come from third world countries as Mr. Davies alleges? These comments are not mainstreaming the debate about immigration as he suggests, rather they are pandering to the extremist agenda, which in many cases is based on myth and unproven assertions.
The casual mention of a venture aimed at the Chinese tourism market is further proof of how flimsy Mr. Davies' argument is. How does a business such as this impact on the housing Market? How does it add to immigration pressures? It doesn't.
By all means let us have a debate but for once can we base it on the actual facts?
Mr. Davies claims that the demand for 350 new housing units in his own constituency due to net migration underlines his case. However, there is a significant difference between migration and immigration. Indeed it is likely that most of the demand will be due to people moving into Monmouthshire from England. It is clear from the MP's remarks that he does not consider the English as immigrants, though there are some extreme nationalists who do.
Where is the breakdown in the housing demand figures to prove that the bulk of these migrants actually come from third world countries as Mr. Davies alleges? These comments are not mainstreaming the debate about immigration as he suggests, rather they are pandering to the extremist agenda, which in many cases is based on myth and unproven assertions.
The casual mention of a venture aimed at the Chinese tourism market is further proof of how flimsy Mr. Davies' argument is. How does a business such as this impact on the housing Market? How does it add to immigration pressures? It doesn't.
By all means let us have a debate but for once can we base it on the actual facts?
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"...there is a significant difference between migration and immigration.."
You have to accept, Peter, that Wales was conquered, subjugated, and occupied, and there has been a failed attempt at assimilation down the centuries.
There is a parallel with Israel and the West Bank, although it is more recent. Because the occupation of the WB commenced in 1967 migration or settlement there from Israel is illegal in UN terms.
How much time must elapse for conquest to be legitimised?
Wales has no say in migration from within the UK. It has some six percent representation in the UK legislature, and migration/immigration is not a devolved responsibiity.
I take offence to your use of the word 'extreme' as it is wholly reasonable for people who hold nationalist views to believe that their country/nation should have control over those who wish to migrate there.
Of course as far as the EU is concerned there is free movement within its borders, but that is subject to sovereignty having been pooled in the first place in order for it to happen.
You have to accept, Peter, that Wales was conquered, subjugated, and occupied, and there has been a failed attempt at assimilation down the centuries.
There is a parallel with Israel and the West Bank, although it is more recent. Because the occupation of the WB commenced in 1967 migration or settlement there from Israel is illegal in UN terms.
How much time must elapse for conquest to be legitimised?
Wales has no say in migration from within the UK. It has some six percent representation in the UK legislature, and migration/immigration is not a devolved responsibiity.
I take offence to your use of the word 'extreme' as it is wholly reasonable for people who hold nationalist views to believe that their country/nation should have control over those who wish to migrate there.
Of course as far as the EU is concerned there is free movement within its borders, but that is subject to sovereignty having been pooled in the first place in order for it to happen.
# posted by 
: 3:21 PM
: 3:21 PM
The english are indeed immigrants, no less than the chinese in tibet. A foriegn culture with little or no respect for the indigenous population. The sole purpose of large scale housing projects in wales is the dilution of local culture to point where any talk of independence is killed off.
# posted by : 4:44 PM
: 4:44 PM
It seems that there is no end to those who wish 'independence' to see themselves as 'vivtims.'
How on earth do we develop as nation with that kind of mentality!!
Why should migration be a problem? it works both ways, in the past it has been to our advantage.
Yes 'extreme' can be the word has some of us found out during the 'referendum' campaign.
How on earth do we develop as nation with that kind of mentality!!
Why should migration be a problem? it works both ways, in the past it has been to our advantage.
Yes 'extreme' can be the word has some of us found out during the 'referendum' campaign.
# posted by : 8:13 PM
: 8:13 PM
The specifics of what happens when immigrants arrive, such as whether Wales is affected, can be irritating but what worries me about immigration is that it is unsustainable. There is a very real danger that this year may bring an horrendous economic meltdown, it is also fairly certain that, over the next 50 years, climate change and the enrichment of China will lead to very high food prices. How British governments can justify the continued importation of half a million people a year when we already have 20 million more people than we can feed from our own resources is beyond me. See The ONS Predicted population of Britain. Please check the figures, they are scary - 30% of EU population growth is occurring in Britain.
England has never been populated so far past its sustainability limits. It is probable that every half million people brought into England will cause half a million of our grandchildren or great grandchildren to die of famine at some time during the next 100 years. People just don't seem to appreciate the absolutely epic scale of the current migration into England.
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England has never been populated so far past its sustainability limits. It is probable that every half million people brought into England will cause half a million of our grandchildren or great grandchildren to die of famine at some time during the next 100 years. People just don't seem to appreciate the absolutely epic scale of the current migration into England.
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